#住在2020# Alfred Vaagsvold

按：“住在2020”系列访谈是“实地想象”自媒体在不平凡的2020年末与生活在各地的艺术界朋友们的联络与问候，通过回顾性的描述，分享他/她们在后疫情时期在各地遭遇的日常生活和可能推进的新近作品，希望由此可能勾勒出这个特殊时期人们具有怎样坚韧的品格、丰富的心灵世界和创造力。了解更多关于“住在2020”系列访谈的想法……

人物：阿尔弗雷德·瓦加斯伍德（挪威）
Artist: Alfred Vaagsvold

1.Where do you live in 2020? Please describe the place and the surrounding environment.

Not far from the coastline, close to the North Sea, I can see the stormy ocean from my windows. Lista is a flat landscape open to the sea. We have about the highest rate of sunny days in Norway, but very windy. Even in Summer the weather can be cold and stormy. Since my childhood I have been fascinated by the rocks formed by water and sand. That is probably a reason for why I work with stones as material for polished sculptures. My grandfather was a famous boat builder. Using wood as material for sculptures, I feel like I am giving him a contribution, even if my sculptures are not like boats, more like a combination of boat forms and waves.

500 meters from my home is Lista lighthouse in which I for over 30 years run an art gallery in one of the houses by the lighthouse, and in the surrounding landscape. This surroundings includes the farmers cultural landscapes with cornfields and gras fields with sheep, cows and horses, even alpacas imported from South America. The nature close to the sea is mostly untouched by humans. Miles of white sand beaches, coastlines with rough rocks and mountains steeping into the ocean has inspired my interest for form and visual art.

1.2020这一年你生活在哪里？

离海岸线不远，靠近北海，我可以从窗户看到海上的暴风雨。利斯塔是一片面向大海的平坦景观。我们的晴天比率大约是全挪威最高的，但风很大。即使在夏天，天气也可能又冷又多雨。从孩提时代起，我就对海水和沙形成的岩石着迷。这可能是我用石头作为抛光雕塑材料的一个原因。我的祖父是一位著名的造船师，他用木头做雕塑材料，我觉得我是在给他做贡献，即使我的雕塑不像船，更像船形和浪的混合。

离家500米是利斯塔灯塔，我在那里经营了30多年的画廊，画廊在灯塔旁边的一座房子里，以及周围的大自然中。这种环境包括农民的文化景观，有玉米地、绵羊、牛、马甚至还有从南美进口的羊驼。靠近海洋的大自然几乎没有被人类触碰过。绵延数英里的白色沙滩，粗糙岩石的海岸线和浸泡在海洋中的山脉激发了我对形式和视觉艺术的兴趣。

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2.How does the COVID-19 pandemic affect you personally in your country and its countermeasures?

In February 2020 I just bought my tickets for a new visit to Kunming. I have been in contact with TCG Nordica as senior adviser, and I have been artist and pedagogic consultant for Trinity Church Art class in Kunming. Because of Covid 19, the travel was cancelled and I got my ticket money back. I had to realize the new situation that I have to stand by from Norway, no personal visit. In May the situation in Norway was chaotic. May the 17th is the great celebration day for our nation. Usually, we celebrate with processions with great numbers of children who carry Norwegian flags. No weapons. This year it was not possible. I got the idea to place 1-2000 flags on a gras field not far from the lighthouse. This is a demonstration of solidarity, identity and freedom, and has nothing to do with nationalism.

In the same period, I placed hundreds of white flags in front of the chapel, the flag of truce. That means a symbol for peace, love and understanding.

2 新冠疫情对你所在国家及其对策对你个人有什么影响？

2020年2月，我刚刚买了去昆明的机票。我一直作为昆明TCG诺地卡的高级顾问与诺地卡保持着联系，并一直担任昆明三一国际礼拜堂艺术班的艺术家和教学顾问。因为新冠疫情，旅行被取消了，我拿到机票退款。我必须意识到新的形势，我只能在挪威等待，不再出行。今年5月，挪威的局势一片混乱。5月17日是我们国家伟大的庆典日。通常，我们会与手持挪威国旗的大量儿童一起游行庆祝。没有武器的游行。今年，这是不可能的。我有了一个想法，在离灯塔不远的一块广场上挂上1-2000面旗帜。这是团结、认同和自由的展示，与民族主义无关。在同一时期，我在礼拜堂前放置了数百面白旗，这是休战的旗帜。这意味着和平、爱和理解的象征。

3.Where is one of the places you enjoy most this year? How do you spend your time there? can you describe what it looks like?

I have one studio for sculpturing and one for painting. In Wintertime I prefer to work in the studio for painting because this has heating in the floor and the temperature is comfortable. On stereo I am listening to music. I just got an old Yamaha Electrone Organ (from the 70thies) to play with tunes I like to hear. My paintings come from acrylic colors bought in an art shop in Kunming, all colors, except from green. This is one of my gimmicks that I don’t have green pigments. You all know the green comes out of the other colors. In my last series of paintings I have been working with colors from dark to light, an illustration to Jes. 9: “The people who walks in darkness, shall see a great light.”

Another important place for me is the seaside. Working at paths along the coastline I can see, hear, smell and feel the nature elements. Where the sea meets the land is a very creative place for meditation and inspiration.

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3 今年你最享受的某个地方是哪里？你如何在那里度过时光？能否描述一下那里什么样子。

我有一个雕塑工作室和一个绘画工作室。冬天我更喜欢在画室里作画，因为那里有地暖，温度也很舒服。我用立体声音响听音乐。我刚买了一把旧雅马哈电子琴（70年代的），可以弹奏我喜欢听的曲子。我的画是从昆明的一家艺术品商店买来的丙烯颜料，除了绿色以外，所有的颜色都有。这是我的一个噱头，我没有绿色颜料。你们都知道绿色是从其他颜色里出来的。在我的上一系列画中，我一直在处理从暗到亮的颜色，这是给以赛亚书九章的插画：“在黑暗中行走的百姓看见了大光。”

对我来说，另一个重要的地方是海边。在海岸线的小路上工作，我可以看到、听到、闻到和感受到大自然的元素。大海与陆地的交汇处是一个非常有创意的冥想和灵感之地。

4.Where is the farthest place you have been this year?

My car is a van with beds, shower, wc and kitchen. That means I can make a travel out of my aera, even if corona makes restrictions. This Summer I travelled up north to Levanger where I met my wife and we together drove small roads into the mountains. Spectacular scenarios when sun and rain changed over the great mountain forms.

4 这一年你去到最远的地方是哪儿？

我的车是一辆旅行房车，有床、浴室、厕所和厨房。这意味着我可以离开我的区域旅行，即使有新冠疫情的限令。今年夏天，我向北去了莱万格，在那里我遇到了我的妻子，我们一起开着小路进入了山区。令人叹为观止的景观：当阳光和雨水在宏伟的山脉上交替出现。

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5.Who do you live with in 2020?

I live with my wife in Lista. We are both in the middle of our 70thies. My cat came from nowhere and has adopted us as his people. He is very much like a Russian Violet, green eyes, no other colors than violet blue grey. He is a master of self-discipline, doing just what he wants. He teaches me how to take care of my body, just one stretch after a lot of sleeping. No gym studio.

5 这一年你主要和谁生活在一起？

我和我妻子住在利斯塔。我们都已经70多岁了。我的猫不知从哪里来的，收养了我们作为它的子民。他很像一只俄罗斯蓝猫，绿色的眼睛，身上没有杂色，只有紫罗兰的灰色。他是个自律大师，做自己想做的一切。他教我如何照顾自己的身体，比如在睡了一大觉后伸展一下身体。他从不用健身房。

6.How did the COVID-19 pandemic affect the way you work?

The Covid 19 situation cancelled exhibitions. My installations outdoors was my main works in 2020, plus painting the hope. I was invited to create a Christmas installation in full hight, showing the holy family, placed in the center of Gjerdrum. When the great nature catastrophe came to Gjerdrum , this installation was for many people a memory place.

6 新冠大流行对你的工作方式产生了怎样的影响？

因为新冠疫情取消了展览。2020年我的主要作品是户外装置，外加描绘希望。我应邀创作了一个高高的圣诞装置作品，作品展示了一个敬虔的家庭，安置在杰德鲁姆镇中心。当巨大的自然灾害降临杰德鲁姆时（译者注：2020年12月30日挪威杰德鲁姆发生百年不遇的山体滑坡），这个装置对许多人来说是一个记忆的地方。

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7.Has your work been promoted in some way?

The flag installations were immediately documented in the Norwegian official TV, local and countrywide. Local newspapers were giving two full pages reportage. The Christmas installation was ordered and promoted by the church and documented by local newspapers.

7 你的工作是否获得了某种推进？

挪威当地和全国性的电视台立即记录了我国旗作品的情况，当地报纸用了整整两页的篇幅报道此事。圣诞装置作品是由教会订购和推广的，并被当地报纸广泛报道。

8.Are you more anxious this year than in previous years? If so, how do you relieve your anxiety?

My wife and me are together in walking tours in the Lista landscape. We have deep talks, sitting on a piece of wood which has come in from the sea, we have a cup of tea and bread and butter. We laugh and asking each other what we will do if one of us dies. Just now we are waiting for the vaccine. Some people say: Don’t take it. Yes, I am afraid, praying the good Lord to take care of us, our friends the people in the world.

8 这一年你是否比往年更焦虑？如果是，你是如何缓解焦虑的？

我和我的妻子一起在利斯塔的风景中徒步旅行。我们坐在一块从海上飘来的木头上，喝了一杯茶，吃了一块有黄油的面包。我们聊了一些深入的话题，笑着问对方：如果我们中的一个人先死了怎么办……此时此刻我们在等待疫苗，有人说：不要打疫苗……是的，我是有点担心……祈祷上帝保佑我们，我们世界上的朋友们。

9.Recommend some movies or books you have seen this year (or a poem), you can briefly explain why.

When the Chinese worldwide known pianist Lang Lang plays Beethoven, the heaven is here. The Asian touch together with the European sound opens doors. Music open doors. When I’m in the dark, Bach’s Toccata and fugue on a great pipe organ takes me out of darkness into the light!

My favourite films are produced by the controversial Danish film director Lars von Trier. «The idiots» from 1998 is a very experimental, very deep psychologically and social drama about integration of mental handicapped people in our society. All Trier’s films are deep and dangerous! His last film I cannot see. It is too terrible about the human evil nature.

When I want to see something fun, I still go to Denmark. In English you can see the comic Victor Borge. He plays the piano so fun! When he plays together with the famous flute virtuoso Michala Petri, I cry!

My friend and colleague Roger Wagner from the exhibition The Matter Matters, wrote this poem to my installation Go-Stop-Go:

Red is stop
And go is green
There are no choices in between.

The sun is red
The earth is green
The air we breathe
Is in between.

We cannot stop
We will not go
If earth and air
Become unclean.

For blood is red
Yet hope is green
And all choice now lies in between.

9 推荐几部这一年你看过的电影或是书，也可以是一段诗歌。也可以简单说明一下为什么。

当世界知名的中国钢琴家郎朗演奏贝多芬时，天堂就在这里。亚洲的触感和欧洲的声音一起打开了大门。音乐打开了大门。当我在黑暗中时，巴赫的托卡塔(Toccata)和大型管风琴赋格曲将我带出黑暗，进入光明！

我最喜欢的电影是由有争议的丹麦电影导演拉斯·冯·特里尔(Lars Von Trier)于1998年制作的“白痴”，这是一部非常实验性的、非常深刻的心理和社会剧，讲述了智障人士融入我们社会的故事。特里尔所有的电影都具有深度和危险性！他的上一部电影我没法看，关于人性的邪恶，太可怕了。

当我想看有趣的东西时，我还是会去丹麦。你可以看到喜剧演员维克多·伯格(Victor Borge)在英语中的幽默。还有他弹钢琴太好玩了！但当他和著名的长笛演奏家米迦拉·佩里(Michala Petri)一起演奏时，我哭了！

我的朋友也是同事的罗杰·瓦格纳参加了“在乎万有”展览时，他给我的装置作品“走-停-走”写了这首诗：

红即是停
绿便是走
两者间别无选择

太阳是红的
大地是绿的
两者之间是
我们呼吸的空气

我们无法停下
我们也不前行
如果大地和空气
变得污浊

因为血液是红的
然而希望是绿的
此刻摆在两者之间的便是抉择

10.Have you ever imagined what human life would be like after the end of COVID-19 pandemic?

This pandemic shows how scientists, artists, politicians, families, friends, neighbours all over the world can go together in solidarity. After this, the solidarity must continue. No boarders for love, no end of understanding.

10 你是否想象过新冠大流行结束后的人类生活会怎样？

这场流行病表明，世界各地的科学家、艺术家、政治家、家人、朋友和邻居可以团结一致。在此之后，必须继续团结下去。爱没有国界，理解也没有尽头。

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About the artist

Alfred Vaagsvold
I am teacher, worked in primary school and college (Folk High School) since 1968. Organized visual artist since 1976. I work in multi medias, organized as painter and sculptor. Part of my work is photo, installations and performances.
From 1987 I run the Lista Lighthouse Gallery with many international art exhibitions. I am writing for the Danish art magazine Kunstmagasinet.
In cooperation with the county museum in Lista, I am curator for art exhibitions in Vestagder museet, Nordberg fort in South Norway not far from where I live. Senior adviser for TCG Nordica and for Trinity Church Art Class in Kunming. Group and solo exhibitions since 1981 in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Great Britain, Russia, India, Thailand, USA New York and China.
Represented in National Gallery, Norway. Kode museums, Bergen. Norwegian Travel Gallery. Riksgalleriet. Oslo Community Art Collection. Sveaborg Art Center, Finland. Huanti times Museum of art, Beijing.
Official decoration works for many communities, schools and private collections.
Lectures for art-classes and art societies.

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阿尔弗雷德·瓦加斯伍德（挪威）
我是一名美术教师，从1968年开始在小学和大学工作。1976年以来一直是一名视觉艺术家，我以画家和雕塑家的身份从事多种媒介的工作，我也做摄影、装置和表演。
1987年开始，我管理着利斯塔的灯塔画廊，举办了许多国际艺术展览。我在为丹麦艺术杂志kunstmagasinet写作。我与利斯塔地区的博物馆合作，我是挪威南部诺德堡维斯塔格德美术馆(Vestagder museet)的策展人，离我居住的地方不远。我也是昆明TCG诺地卡的高级顾问和昆明三一国际礼拜堂艺术班的高级顾问。
自1981年以来，我在挪威、瑞典、丹麦、芬兰、德国、英国、俄罗斯、印度、泰国、美国、纽约和中国举办群展和个展。作品在挪威国家美术馆、卑尔根科德美术馆、挪威旅行画廊、奥斯陆社区艺术收藏中心、瑞典国家美术馆、芬兰斯维博格艺术中心、北京环铁时代美术馆等展出和收藏。我也为诸多社区、学校和私人收藏提供服务，为艺术班和艺术社团举办讲座。

“住在2020”系列访谈策划/编译：罗菲
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